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So, I watched this movie a few days ago and it is definitely still in my head. It quickly made tis way to becoming my favorite movie, in one day I watched it twice and then a third time fast forwarding to my favorite parts, which still had me crying like a baby. I'm guessing this film will stick with me for quite a while, and I don't have a problem with that :)
My question, though, is regarding Thayer becoming Mormon - that scene threw me through a loop. Did he really become Mormon? Was he lying? Did he really go on the mission trip, and what happened that got him turning back into his old self? I know this movie is supposed to leave a lot of unanswered questions and be open ended, but I'm still very curious. Any thoughts?
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Well I admit I sometimes wonder if he just said that to make her think he's doing something with his life when really he had not much going on. But for the most part I think he was telling her the truth. That after he OD'd on acid he searched out for something, anything, to bring him back to earth. Something to believe in other than her, and God's a lot more concrete than a person. But then I think when he saw her at the grocery store, slowly but surely his newfound faith cracked for what he really loved, really believed in. He drifted away from it because after seeing her he realized she was still the stronger pull. That's just what I personally think, but like you said, you're not supposed to know the answers in this movie, you're supposed to go with what you personally feel happened. That's part of what makes this movie so great. Personally my main question is an has been since I saw the preview...why is he wearing a dress in the scene at the beach?
Nothing's gonna change my world.
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I really, really like your interpretation of what happened. I think that makes total sense, and itis what I'm going to go with next time I watch the movie. As far as him wearing a dress, I figured he maybe got it from one of the girls he was hanging around with and put it on because he could, but who really knows!
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Well. In my opinion the dress was the part of him not caring what people think. As you saw later he was in the theatre with the flower sticked behind his ear. This movie is very coherent, that is why it's so good to watch.
I have noticed some things said or written earlier happen later in the movie. Like "don't let me dissapear" and Amber naming her son. Message written in the notebook about Dewly in Jeannie's room and this happening in real. Thayer and Amber conversation about faking death: why would you do that? - oh, I think you know. Or him saying that he knew he would die or live forever but why not do both. Thayer looking like the angel wearing white dress with sun halo around his head and his death later. You can find much more there.
Thayer does everything with passion - he acts, writes, says, does things that you can find scary, crashing but also sincere. That kind of behaviour leads him often to the edge - like with his fake drowning at the begining or overdose in the classroom. I think it is partly a result of his need to break Amber and partly because of his character. That is also why he is obsessed with her, he is somehow drowning in her.
I would say that the mormon part is kind of escape from her, but impossible, because she shows up and everything comes back. First in the shop and some time later by the lake. There is no escape when you just give yourself to the other person. That is what Thayer did.
And Amber's life is the same as in high school. There is no beloved person close to her, just her alone in the room and husband on the phone.
I saw somewhere the questions whether Thayer died or faked and I think he did die. This balancing on the edge ended that time. But he broke Amber as he tried all those years, so that he could live forever. She will recollect him everytime she looks at her son. And everytime she talks to his sister. That is all Thayer left her.
I really like this movie.
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I saw this movie three days ago. And like you all, i was left with a lot of missing answers. But strangely I don't mind. This is the point. The beauty in this movie is that whatever you're gonna find to explain this or this, you'll never know what was the truth, if truth it is.
Sometimes, you really don't know why people act that way or another. Because usually you don't have all the parameters. And obviously, Thayer is not someone who gives them easily, even to the person he loves.
This is one of the reasons why i really enjoyed the movie. You don't need to know everything because if you do, it's not real anymore. You never know everything when you have a relationship with someone, even if you're really really close. That's what makes the tension between them two deep, intriguing and heartbreaking.
Not sure i'm making total sense here... :)
Anyway, I am from Paris and, here, we miss such good indies movies. To the film crew, i'm looking forward to see what's coming next, keep on the good work.
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Dear Isolophobia,
I know you wrote your response to Life_Unknown way back in November, but I only became a member in January. I was just reading over what you and others were saying about the "dress" Thayer was wearing at the beach. I don't know much about the Mormon faith, but I do know that they believe in a very modest style of dress. As a testament to their vows to God, Mormon wears special underwear or garments in place of what most people would consider typical underwear. I can't say for certain, but I think that the "dress" you are refering to has a similar significance in that it is a traditional Morman swimsuit. If you look at the swimsuits back in say the 1940s, they covered the man's entire torso and chest (kind of like a one-piece female swimsuit today). Because Mormons believe so strictly in the idea of modesty, the "dress" is a full coverage swimsuit unlike the swim trunks most men wear today that leave their chest completely bare. Granted, I'm not saying that is exactly what it was supposed to be, but it would make sense since Thayer had supposedly converted to Mormonism and because, as he leaves Amber, he strips it off as if to say he's reverting back to his old ways. I'd have to research it more to know for sure, but that's just my take on the whole "dress" issue. Hope that helps anybody who was wondering about it...
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Wow! I love all the different ideas people have. I think this movie is supposed to have that effect; like a few people said, we're supposed to have questions.
I like to think he did become a Mormon, and I agree that his rationale would be a need to believe in something. Isolophobia, I love your thoughts on this, especially "God's a lot more concrete than a person" and "his newfound faith cracked for what he really loved, really believed in." This makes a lot of sense. I think, though, that he backed out of the Mormon faith before going on his mission trip, and just told Amber that he came back early because he didn't want to admit that he'd given up on another opportunity.
I don't quite know why he's wearing a dress, but as for as wearing a covering, does anyone think that maybe he was trying to hide the scars from his abusive family, specifically the gunshot wound? And being Thayer, he wouldn't just hide in a t-shirt, so he decided to wear a dress.
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I think that he really did join the Mormon church and it was because it was a safe place to be. I think that he left because Mormons are just not his kind of people. The way that he says "I came back early, it was a good trip" does sound a little fishy, but I think that he just quit one day and that's all there is to it.
As for the dress, I don't think it's a Mormon thing because he takes it off.
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